Posts by new hope and happiness

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Do you feel guilty?

by new hope and happiness in

i have recently been having a feeling of guilt for having escaped the w.t while so many friends and family remain trapped.. has anyone else ever had similar feelings?.

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Thanks again for everybodys different perspectives. It seems to me any guilt we feel is clearly a question of attitude.

Has my attitude changed having read your comments? Well my leaving the Watchtower with its customs is perceived as evil by the congregation and giving a victory to Satan. So where have my so called friends been? Its true i ve been contacted by the elders but i sence that they are displeased with me and i thought it wise not to answer their questions.

Maybe my friends trapped live not by faith but hope. That hope may be for good reason. And with out that hope there is nothing nor reason to live. Maybe my stategy of keeping quite was sensible i am through with teaching and will simply live in my happy present state if i can.

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Do you feel guilty?

by new hope and happiness in

i have recently been having a feeling of guilt for having escaped the w.t while so many friends and family remain trapped.. has anyone else ever had similar feelings?.

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Thanks for the replys.

Recently i have been thinking my leaving strategy was rather selfish. I left my friends with their dumb acceptance of the maniputive teachings of the W.T teachings and a missplaced gratitude for what the society is doing for them

My question was promted by " Mr Flippers" kind comment to my introductory post. He suggested i read Crisis of Coccience. My reply was " No thanks".because i have done my research and i left. Finnished. Now i realize i left something behind, something deeper and more meaningful than justification i made the right decision to leave i left friends. And today i feel their suffering. Even if they dont. Now they know i am a threat and ots to late to reason with them.

Any way last week this board introduced me to Greek Mythology and where the story of Christ came from. Wow i really learnt a lot in my week here. More than a life time in the organisatin. Thank you all.

Any way its too late now if i failed them

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Do you feel guilty?

by new hope and happiness in

i have recently been having a feeling of guilt for having escaped the w.t while so many friends and family remain trapped.. has anyone else ever had similar feelings?.

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I have recently been having a feeling of guilt for having escaped the W.T while so many friends and family remain trapped.

Has anyone else ever had similar feelings?

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What is your opinion?

by Terry in

matthew 6:14-15new revised standard version (nrsv).

14 for if you forgive others their trespasses, your heavenly father will also forgive you; 15 but if you do not forgive others, neither will your father forgive your trespasses.. .

at least on a superficial interpersonal level the above scripture requires the victim to forgive the offender in order to be forgiven in turn.

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So the Sharia Law requires more than being forgiven by those you have pardond.

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Watchtower tricks and deceptions

by slimboyfat in

one of the first things that shocked me when learning the truth about the truth was how the organisation uses tricks and deception to fool their own membership.

i guess we all have our own favourite examples, like the quotes in the publications that make outside sources look like they oppose the trinity/support the nwt/disprove evolution, when in context the intent of the original source is quite different.

or the grossly exaggerated experiences delivered at conventions: if we happen to know the person or were present at the events described we know it's often garbage what they say on stage, more closely resembling a desired script emanating from headquarters than anything that actually happened to real witnesses in the circuit or district.

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Slimboyfat, in my opinion the W.T has a responsibility for what they publish. The magazine is established over 100 years with a latge readership and distribution and they have to be above carelessness in what they write.

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So apparently I'm now a Secular Humanist

by Oubliette in

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i was doing some research on the subject of beliefs and belief systems when i came across an on-line survey/test that supposedly helps you determine which religion or philosophy is most like your current beliefs.

if you're curious, you can take the quiz here: belief system selector quizafter answering the 20 questions the results were spit out!

tada!!!.

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1st Theravabu Buddhism 100%

last J.W ...................... 2O%

Does coming last mean i am over my J.W exsperience? I hope so and that i can in some curiouse way be grateful for the expenrience .That it was a stage in life that got me to whete i am today. My preferrd option however would to have been a secular humanisam in which i came 3rd with 81%

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Why won't JWs have "civilized" debates with home owners?

by ilikecheese in

it seems kind of crazy to go to someone's house touting your religion as truth and then not even defend your own beliefs.

why do jws stop the chat if someone just tries to calmly reason/debate with them?

i'm not talking about crazy preachers who start slamming bibles and yelling about how they need jesus or something.

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I had a lot of householders tell me things that made a lot of sence and i rejected it for a long time.My honest answer, maybe its just humun nature. Maybe it just takes time to absorb.

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Insightful quote on blind devotion ... but what was it exactly?

by MrMonroe in

i have the feeling it was ray franz who wrote it, but search as hard as i can, i can't find it!.

there is a quote in the pile of books i have about the jws that says something along the line of ... it's forgiveable that you may be sucked in to something you come to believe in, but there is no excuse for refusing to ask questions and discover the truth about something.. it was obviously applied to the blinkered view most jws have about their organisation, therefore it is very hard to have sympathy for them being trapped in a high-control cult.

they have the option to examine opposing views and put them to the test, but simply refuse to entertain such thoughts.. it was a succinct, punchy quote; it was probably ray franz, but could have been jim penton, don cameron or james beverley.

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A true quote and with the internet " truth Seekers" cant be accused of dragging there feet and hopefully, insuring a speedy exit from the organisation.

Yet some people need the security of having all the answers and they like the social club and maybe they they dont want to be "truth seekers" and the answers they require dont need to be truthful.

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New Light its an illusion...

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maybe the people who discover new light are just having fun?

they sit there in brooklyn and say too each other " overlapping generation yea thats hilarious".

well if thats the case i hope people are wakeing up to the joke.. g.b reply " but you have to understand our audience, you see its made up of many people who want to hear our brand of comedy and not think about anything".

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And when new light becomes old light in ends up in charity shops. I was in one yesterday and along with the marvelouse items on diplay such as old Wam and Spice Girls albums were little books titled Happiness and Peace and Security. In an ironic way i purchased the books but not the albums, and now the books served some good as the proceeds went to starving children.

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New Light its an illusion...

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maybe the people who discover new light are just having fun?

they sit there in brooklyn and say too each other " overlapping generation yea thats hilarious".

well if thats the case i hope people are wakeing up to the joke.. g.b reply " but you have to understand our audience, you see its made up of many people who want to hear our brand of comedy and not think about anything".

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Maybe the people who discover new light are just having fun? They sit there in Brooklyn and say too each other " Overlapping Generation yea THATS HILARIOUS"

Well if thats the case i hope people are wakeing up to the joke.

G.B reply " but you have to understand our audience, you see its made up of many people who want to hear our brand of comedy and not think about anything"